Today on the Podcast Therapist, I'm sharing 11 quick and actionable ways to improve your podcast for 2025, covering everything from better content flow and audio quality to branding and promotions. So stick around for these tips and so much more on the Podcast Therapist for December 18th of 2024. When you're one unbalanced piece of audio from losing your... This is the Podcast Therapist.
That is right. Welcome back to another episode of the Podcast Therapist. I am your host, the Shan Man radio broadcaster, podcaster, and podcast producer.
You can also call me Shannon Hernandez. That is my real name. Shan Man is just my radio nickname.
But yeah, today we're going to be talking about some quick tips, actionable tips that you can utilize for your podcast going into 2024. And these tips are all coming from my review of other podcasts. I'm not naming other podcasts out by name.
I'm just saying that I had gone through. I started listening to other podcasts and then I was like, they can make some improvements there or they could definitely get rid of that there. But these are just suggestions.
These are things that I think that are, I guess, industry standard. I would say they are more standard to the industry of radio. And when we look at things in terms of standards by radio, I'm talking about the flow of the podcast.
But we'll talk about that here very shortly. And of course, I want to welcome you for being here, being a part of the Podcast Therapist and the show, because this is the show that is going to help you grow and market your podcast, especially if you are an entrepreneur. So let's go over a quick few things.
Today we are not going to be doing any ads. It's just a quick hit podcast. So lucky for you, no ads on this one, because I do want to just go ahead and get an episode out.
As of this recording, it's actually Wednesday, December 18th. I was supposed to record yesterday on Tuesday. But over the last six days, I've had quite a bit of, I guess, a lot of events going on within my personal life.
And it's nothing that is like personal, like health-wise for me or anything like that. But we're talking about my parents. So that's really where I'm putting some of my effort and my time and trying to also kind of soft launch the Podcast Therapist as well.
So I would hope that you would be able to give me a little bit of grace with that. I want to try to be as transparent as possible with you guys so that you understand that I do want to be dedicated to sharing information that will help you build and grow your podcast as a small business, as an entrepreneur and whatnot. So I do apologize for that profusely that I was not here yesterday, but the podcast will still be released as far as tomorrow being Thursday, it will be released.
Now speaking of which, there will be another programming change to the Podcast Therapist. And this is all based on a YouTube live event that I was supposed to attend last Thursday. But as a result, I was not able to do so because I had to go out of town on an emergency to go see my parents.
And so everything is fine, but I was not able to attend that event. I literally just about 20 minutes ago watched the YouTube live event and I was mind blown. I was completely mind blown by this.
And so I will do a podcast on this that will discuss all about it, what happened in that event, and give you some of my thoughts on that. So just kind of be aware of that, that'll be coming probably, if not next week, the following week. Since we are a week out from Christmas, it's going to be a little bit difficult to get people to listen, I guess, I don't know.
But since everything is on demand, I may still go ahead and release it and get it ready. But as far as the programming change is going to be concerned, I think that I'm going to start playing with different times in which I will be releasing the podcast. So I think how it's going to start working is that I will be recording a live version of it on YouTube where you can comment and you can interact with me.
If you have questions, I'm more than happy to go ahead and answer those the best that I can, whether I'm being in the chat or if I answer it live on the actual podcast itself. But I will likely do the podcast live on YouTube and I will be publishing it directly to YouTube as a podcast immediately so that people can go ahead and consume it. Then, of course, what I will be doing is then I'll be publishing the podcast a little bit later, which is not too much later.
It'll probably be the next day or day after of the release of the live video. So there's just going to be a little bit difference in how I release this. So I will keep you posted.
I'll let you know. I'll keep you updated. I'm going to start trying to use the community tab on YouTube to let people know of these changes too.
All right. And I will start emailing people as well from my email address who are subscribed to my email newsletter so they can go ahead and get an idea of when this release schedule will be. All right.
So there's just a little structure change. So the structure of the release is just like I said, it's just going to be all about the YouTube event that I did. And that's really all it is.
That YouTube event was just mind blowing in itself. So I just can't wait to share it with you guys. But today, what I want to talk to you about is I want to talk to you about some quick and actionable tips that you can utilize and start working on going into 2025 to make your podcast a little bit better.
All right. And these are things that I think I can work on as well. I'm not like crazy, like awesome at podcasting, but I would say that all my years in radio that has allowed me to refine my process and make it flow a little bit better, at least for what I am trying to do.
I think it makes it flow a little bit better from the perspective of organizing the content and delivering it the way in which I think is more logical. And it makes the listener not wait for something that is going to be coming next. So that's where I think that I kind of thrive a little bit, not saying that I'm the expert, but I think it works best for me.
And I think it will work best for the listener. Now, it may not work for you guys, and I am always open to feedback, but there is a specific purpose in how I structure my own podcast. So today's episode, we're going to talk about these quick ways and ways you can make things better.
And this is all based on my consumption of podcasts. And it's not anything that I'm specifically subscribing to. It's just podcasts that I went ahead, and I went into the Apple Podcasts app, and I started listening to just a podcast.
And I started, I don't know, I don't like using the word critique, but I guess I did. I just started critiquing the podcast, and like, I don't know, that could have been tighter, or I don't know, that call to action should have been this way instead of another way. And that's just kind of, those are my critiques.
And these are just based off of my experience in radio. So today, I will talk to you about one, two, three, four different categories that we'll talk about, all right? We'll talk about pre-rolls and promotions. Then the second will be content structure and organization.
And then we'll be talking about branding and consistency. And then we'll talk about audio quality and delivery. Nothing too heavy.
We are in the process of, I guess, Christmas week, the week before Christmas. So we'll try to make it a little light for you guys. So as I was listening to this podcast, I felt as though the content was great, but I felt as though the flow was a little bit different.
And so I wasn't sure whether or not it worked or not. All I know as a listener, it felt a little disconnected for me, all right? So as we start in on the first category here of pre-roll and promotions, I'm going to read to you what I've written down, and then I'll kind of elaborate on what I'm talking about. So the first point that I want to make is that if you're mentioning an offer in your pre-roll, you share the website briefly, but guide the listeners to check the show notes for all the details.
So what happened when I was listening to a specific podcast was that this particular podcaster said they had a particular offer they wanted to give, and they gave the website address, but the slug, or the name of the webpage that existed was super long, and she had to spell it out. She spelled it out, and I was like, oh, that's kind of a lot. And nowhere in that mention did she say to check the show notes of this podcast episode.
Now, in that episode that she did record, she did mention to check the show notes for something else, but I think it's important as a podcaster that you're always providing frequency of what you are trying to promote. So just remember that. You're trying to create some frequency.
Remind them that there is something that is going to be in the description of a YouTube video or in the show notes part of the Apple Podcasts app or Spotify. So if you're mentioning an offer in a pre-roll, share the website briefly, but guide the listener to the show notes, because there's no way they're going to be sitting at the computer. Now, maybe there are.
I have listened to podcasts where people say, like, I listen specifically on the computer, and then I'm able to type it into my web browser. But what you're trying to do with podcasting is you're trying to reach an audience where the barrier of entry is a lot easier for you, all right? It's a lot easier for the listener to go ahead and access. The second point that I have here is when you're promoting something or when promoting something, always highlight the benefits first to hook your audience and then direct them to the show notes for more information.
So in the pre-rolls that I had listened to, they had said, you know, I had this thing offered. It's $9.97, and then they just kind of went on and started talking about something else, and I couldn't tell whether or not it was part of the promotion that they were talking about or whether or not it was part of the program. I just couldn't tell, and then it wasn't until after I heard it, I realized that it was just this really long, long ad for their $9.97 products.
So when you're promoting something, just highlight the benefits first. Think of it like an infomercial. You know, when you listen to an infomercial, they highlight these benefits.
This is what it's going to do, a Ginsu knife, or, you know, it's going to cut steel, and at the same time, it's going to cut a tomato with the same sharpness and the blade and it goes on and on and on, right? So highlight the benefits and then maybe go into a deeper explanation, but you don't want to go into like this crazy story about why your dog was doing this and that unless it relates directly to the product, all right? So just make sure that you're keeping on track with what you're trying to talk about. Now, as far as pre-rolls are concerned and pre-roll promotions are concerned, make sure you keep your pre-roll promotions short and you're keeping them snappy. So if you're going to do a pre-roll offer, keep them under 30 seconds.
That's what I recommend that you do. So if you're keeping them under 30 seconds and you're not doing something that is, you know, two minutes long, in the case of what I listened to, I heard six minutes. A six-minute ad on a pre-roll promotion was absolutely mind-blowing to me.
It blew my mind away and I was like, this is six minutes of my life. I can't get back. You have to remember that we all have short attention spans and we will liberally use that fast forward button way more than we need to.
And what you're trying to do is you're trying to keep that listener listening. If you want them to hear your promotion, make sure you keep those things real short. They can sacrifice 15 seconds to 30 seconds of their life if it's something that will be of interest to them.
So keep your pre-roll promotion short, snappy, and aim for under 30 seconds. Anything over two minutes, it's just you're going to lose the listener and they're just going to fast forward through that content. So just that's a great reminder.
And number four that I have here in pre-roll on promotions is that if you're running a promotion, don't limit that promotion to just one episode. Repeat it over across multiple episodes to ensure that your audience hears it and remembers it. So if you're going to be running a promotion for some product that is going to be about $9.97 about how to make the best pen, you know, right.
I don't know. I'm just coming up with some cheesy product idea, right? Make sure that you're mentioning in every episode, create a campaign strategy about that. It doesn't have to be something complicated.
Just say that you're going to be mentioning that pre-roll in one episode, episode one, two, three, four. Make sure it runs the span of how long you want that campaign to be. So if you're going to end that sale in a month, well, you can release podcast episodes, at least four episodes in a month before that offer ends, right? So make sure that when you're running that promotion, you just don't limit it to one episode.
Repeat it over and over. You can create a placement in it, either in a pre-roll. Maybe you do the placement in the mid-roll or maybe you do the placement in the post roll.
But pre-roll where you have them, where you can capture them, that's probably going to be the best way where you can go ahead and do that. Now, as far as, uh, you know, making some actionable changes for your podcast, we'll jump into content and structure organization. And these are just things that I thought of, like I said, on my run.
And so the next step would be, I would say, structure your content so that it flows naturally. So what we're talking about is that we have, excuse me, what we have, what we're talking about is we have pre -rolls and then we have introductions, right? We have these pre-rolls, then introductions. But what I listened to in some of these podcasts that I was critiquing was that there was a pre-roll and then there was like this weird introduction.
It was like, we're talking about this thing. And then they had the branded introduction or they did the branded introduction. And then there was a weird introduction.
And then they did like a double introduction. And so there's no need to really confuse this at all. So how you should do it, it should be a pre-roll, a branded introduction.
So the branded introduction would be like what you hear at the beginning of this podcast. You know, it's just a real quick 15 second, you know, this is the podcast therapist. And there's that voice that comes over.
And then I have a music bed that goes underneath it. That's more along the lines of which I think you should go ahead and how you should structure. That's just the way I think it.
So pre-roll, branded introduction. And then you can go ahead and you can do a personal introduction. So the way that I do it and the way you hear it with this podcast is that and we'll just do it for example sake so that you can kind of hear it the way that I do it.
Right. So I have a sounder that starts at the beginning of my podcast. So that is this.
Mixed down media productions. And then what I'll do after that is I'll give a real quick, brief, quick hit on what is coming up in the podcast. You know, so today on the podcast sharing, you know, 11 tips, you know, that will help you grow your podcast.
And that is just all I'm saying. And then I say the date of when I've gone ahead and released it. And then I jump into what I would call my sweeper or my stager is what I call it.
So it starts here. Mixed down media productions. I do my introduction right here.
It only lasts mostly at 10 seconds. And then I jump directly into my stager, which would be. When you're one unbalanced piece of audio from losing your.
This is the podcast therapist. And then from there, I will go ahead and do the introduction. Right.
So, hey, welcome to the podcast therapist. My name is Shannon Hernandez, radio broadcaster, podcaster, podcast producer. And then today you're listening to podcasts where it's helping out podcast entrepreneurs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Then you can go ahead and organize it out. What you want to talk about, what I've written down today in the podcast of what we're talking about today. As I said, you know, I want to do a quick housekeeping items.
I'm talking about a live stream and turn that down. I'm talking about a live stream on Wednesday. I'm saying, hey, I watched the YouTube live event that they did last Thursday.
And there's going to be some programming changes. And you just go through and you organize it a little bit better so that there's a better flow in your podcast instead of just having it be all this, you know, all organized, you know, kind of haphazardly. You don't want to do that, at least in my opinion, you don't want to do that.
So, again, if we are going to go ahead and reiterate when you're structuring your content, make sure you're structuring it so that it flows a lot better. So it's going to be a pre-roll, a branded introduction, a personal introduction, then you jump into your main content. So avoid delays.
Your audience doesn't want to wait six minutes until the actual content starts. I heard that at least three times in three different podcasts. And it was, I just, I didn't want to hear that.
I just did not want to hear six minutes of an ad. I didn't want to hear six minutes of like some story. Like that story could have very well been better placed in the main content itself.
So that's what I'm talking about. Organize and structure your content a little bit better so that it flows better for your listener. All right.
So number six, underneath the content structure and organization, shorten your pre-recorded intros to keep things moving quickly and maintain listener interest. So like I said, you know, you're going to say today on the podcast therapist, I'm sharing 11 quick and actionable ways to improve your podcast for 2025. I actually could just end it right there.
I mean, and just say, and then just start my, my stager itself. All right. So you could just end it right there.
Number seven, improve the flow of your program with smooth and intentional segs between segments. So what I'm talking about here, when I talk about segs, I'm talking about segways, right? When you're creating a podcast, you want to create segways that give the listener the indication that something new is going to be coming up. So you might've heard me at times where I start talking and then all of a sudden you hear like music coming up underneath me and I've changed my tone of my voice.
You know, I start talking about, you know, these are the solutions that you can have. And I think if you implement these solutions, they will be better for your podcast, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And then I say, coming up next, I've got blank, uh, you know, I've got Dean D'Amelio, who's going to be talking about how he created his own podcast into a six-figure income with the Gary and Dino show.
That's all coming up next on the podcast therapist. Then what you would likely hear me do is, and this is why I love having the RODECaster Pro too, is that I can fade that music up, right? I can fade that music up. And that is the indication that we're going to go into a segment or you're going to go into a commercial break.
Not everyone has to go into a commercial break. They can just do, go into a segment, bring the person on through e-cam, or maybe they're bringing them on through zoom, or maybe you're editing the podcast manually and you need to just lay that in somewhere. And then what you're going to do is you're going to slowly fade that music back down.
That's the way I would recommend that you do it. You fade it back down. You just don't like fade it out and then start the talking.
You can start the fade down while you're talking. And then that's where you can just go ahead and, you know, Hey Dean, how's it going here? Hey, how you doing? What's going on? It's good to hear and see you in the live stream today. I'm excited to talk to you about how you've monetized your podcast after 20 years, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Oh, that's great. All the meanwhile, I can go ahead and slowly fade that out. Those are radio tricks that I've just, I have always implemented into my programming, right? You're just fading things out and you're making everything flow a little bit better.
You can either do this on a Rodecaster Pro 2, or if you're doing it manually inside of Adobe Audition, you could do exactly the same thing, but it's all about maintaining consistency and making sure that the program flows a little easier. Okay. So you don't want it to just be like, Hey Dean, what's going on? How's everything going with your podcast? It just sounds abrupt when you're turning the music down.
Right? So just make sure that you're trying to make it flow a little bit smoother in your programming. Okay. Now let's jump into branding and consistency.
So if we are on number eight of 11 quick and actionable tips to improve your podcast for 2025 and the branding and consistency, I think is something that you need to have. Now, this isn't just audio branding. This has to deal with visual branding as well.
So what I've written down is that I said, ensure your podcast branding is consistent. Use the same artwork across platforms and always include your logo. So what you're seeing inside of Apple Podcasts, and I believe in Spotify is you're seeing that there are people who will say, you can, so what you can do in some podcast platforms is that you can create artwork, individualized artwork for that particular episode.
And it shows up whenever you're playing that actual podcast. But what I had seen when I was looking at some of these podcasts is that, you know, they created something in Canva. And all it said was like episode 303.
And then it gave the title of the podcast. And I'm like, well, I don't know who am I listening to right now? I did not. I was like, who am I listening to? Of course, I saw who I was listening to in Apple Podcasts, but it was like there was no branding in the image.
And I thought branding in that image would be really great to know who it's about, whose podcast that is. And it just looks great. And it helps people remember your brand over time.
This is not a podcast thing. This is not a radio thing. This is just a branding thing altogether.
You're just trying to keep your listener, you know, trying to keep your brand at top of mind with your listener. So that's something that you should think about when you're creating artwork. Now, when it comes to YouTube artwork, that's something that is a little bit different.
And I will talk about in a future episode when we're talking about creating podcasts for YouTube, because it's different. The thumbnail is going to be different. So if you're uploading a thumbnail that is on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, it has to be different for YouTube.
And we'll discuss more of that when I do that episode. All right. Number nine, I say keep sound effects and sweepers consistent to create a polished and professional listening experience.
So as you've heard with the podcast therapist, everything stays the same, right? It's pretty consistent. You hear the same music beds. You hear pretty much the same sweepers.
You hear the same bumpers. Everything's kind of the same. So you've created a structure with your podcast and that structure just kind of it flows right now.
Whether or not someone decides that they want to go ahead and fast forward to the meat of the content is up to them. But for you or for someone that is going to be listening to the podcast, maybe you want to create a program that is a little more structured so that when they're on a ride or they're doing a workout that it sounds like it's something that can be consumable through segments where maybe they need to stop 15 minutes in and then they can pick back up. And remember, they're picking back up in a second segment.
That's just something that you can think about when you're doing this. OK, so keep the sound effects and sweepers consistent. Another thing that I wanted to point out in the sweepers and consistency is that some podcasters, what they like to do is they'll do like a top 10 list.
We're doing kind of like a top 11 list right now, right? And you likely have heard this on radio where you'll hear like number five and then you hear some sound effects like number five and then swoosh and then the host will come on and say, yeah, so coming in at number five today, we have the drones over New Jersey and this is what's going on with the drones and they'll do the whole bit on the drones and then there'll be another sound effect that'll be like number four and then it'll be a swoosh and then they can go ahead and go ahead and do this, right? What I've heard in podcasts, what I've heard in podcasts that I have listened to over the past week is that podcasters, they'll create that swoosh but it makes no sense. It's a swoosh and then that's the only time you'll hear the swoosh and it gives no indication of what type of segment it is. It gives no indication of what the swoosh is for.
It's just, it's there and that's at no fault of the podcaster because they just don't know. They don't know the programmatic placement of these sound effects inside of their program. So it's best to have an idea of what the sound effect will do and the reason why it's going to play.
So in the circumstance of how we do it in radio is that we have a countdown of top five and it'll be like number five and then the swoosh and then there's usually music playing underneath and then the host is going to read what they're going to read about. Once they finish that point, you'll hear number four swoosh and then it'll still be music playing underneath and then they give that point and so on and so forth. So that's what we're talking about when we're talking about keeping sound effects and sweepers consistent over time.
All right? So on the last point that I want to talk to you about, so we're on number 10. So we're almost done with this list, right? Almost done with this list. So what we're going to do is we're going to talk about audio quality and delivery.
Okay? So one of the things that I, well, let me read the point here. Okay? So number 10 is going to be boost your audio levels and normalize the loudness to meet platform standards and keep your podcast sounding clear and balanced. I have to add that there is a caveat to this.
All right? Now, not all podcasters are going to be like me. Not all of them are going to create a podcast that's live and in the moment on YouTube. Not all of them are going to do that.
I get it. I understand that a hundred percent. All right? In my circumstance, in why I'm creating a podcast live on YouTube is that I can go ahead and basically kill, you know, two birds with one stone.
It's already done. It's ready to publish. It's ready to go ahead and put on YouTube.
And all I have to do is worry about pulling the audio from my Rodecaster Pro 2 and then going and doing the editing on the backend for Apple Podcasts and Spotify. That's all it is, right? So it's a little bit different for YouTube, but I'm still providing quality audio on the opposite end, right? I'm providing quality audio for Apple Podcasts and Spotify. So when I'm talking about boosting your audio levels and normalizing the loudness to meet the platform standards, what I'm talking about is that if you do not have some type of normalization inside of your DAW, your digital audio workstation, whether that be Audition or Audacity, you should, you really should, but you should be implementing that into your podcast.
And what I'm talking about is that I listened to two podcasts. I listened to one podcast that had great, great audio. The decibel levels were perfect inside of this podcast.
And I was like, perfect. I can turn it all the way up. And if it gets too loud, I can turn it down to the level in which it works for me.
So I listened to that podcast. It sounded great. I was like, perfect.
Went to the next podcast. The levels were so low, I had to crank the volume up all the way to barely even hear what I was listening to. And you're talking about that I was walking on the street, under a freeway and onto a path, and I still couldn't hear that podcast.
So there are ways that you can do this. Inside of Adobe Audition, there's a match loudness feature that you can go ahead and use that match loudness. So if your guest is too low and your gain is too high on your microphone, it will match the loudness so that it is level across the entire audio.
All right. So you could do that in Audition. I don't know about Audacity or even GarageBand, but that's just something to think about.
When it comes to YouTube, different story. I have Rodecaster Pro. I've leveled all of that out on the actual mixing board itself.
So just kind of keep that in mind. All right. And let's go ahead and get into the last point here.
The last point, number 11, always close your podcast with a reminder of where listeners can connect with you, your website, your social media, other platforms, show notes. Check the show notes for any of the resources that I had mentioned. So the podcast that I had listened to, they just ended.
They did an interview. They talked to the person. The information was great.
By all means, it was awesome. But I come from the school of thought is that you should always try to promote a little something. Don't overwhelm them, but you should always try to promote a little something to get their interest on, you know, get them over onto your website, get them to subscribe to the podcast, you know, get them to follow you on social media, get them to download a guide off your website, find a call to action at the end of that podcast so that you can allow them to be a part of your universe.
That's what I think is very important with the end of the podcast. If you just leave them hanging, then you're like, where do I go next? I don't like that. I don't, I don't prefer that.
As an example, I have a coworker who he likes to end his show by giving some weird news tip, right? He'll give some weird news tip. Then what he does is he always gives a call to action. If you want to comment on this weird thing that I'm giving out, email me at blank at 98kupd.com. He's always giving some type of call to action.
And I think more podcasters need to do that too. So as a recap, I'll just give you a real quick recap of the top 11 things that I think you should do to improve your podcast for 2025 is, um, if you're mentioning an offer in a pre-roll, make sure you share the website briefly, but always direct them to the show notes. Number two, when promoting something, always highlight the benefits first to hook your audience and then direct them to the show notes for more information.
Number three, keep your pre-roll promotions short and snappy. Aim for under 30 seconds. Anything over two minutes is too long and risks losing listeners.
Number four, uh, if you're running a promotion, don't limit it to just one episode repeated over multiple episodes. Number five, structure your content. So it flows naturally pre-roll branded introductions, personal introduction, and then main content avoid any delays.
Number six, or shorten your pre-recorded intros to keep things moving quickly and maintain listener interest. Number seven, improve the flow of your program with smooth and intentional segues between segments. Number eight, ensure your podcast branding is consistent.
Use the same artwork across platforms and always include your logo with the exception of YouTube. That's going to be discussed at a future episode. Number nine, keep your sound effects and sweepers consistent to create a polished and professional listening experience.
And then of course, number 10, uh, boost your audio levels and normalize them so that your listener doesn't have to struggle to turn up the volume. I mean, that's going to be something important. And number 11, always close your podcast with a reminder of where listeners can connect with you, whether it's on your website, social media, or other platforms.
We're going to dive into some of these things in the future. I think is really going to be valuable for you when it comes down to how you develop your podcast for your business and how you can make it flow and make it a little easier. Because if you're doing it inside the podcast, you'll want to make it flow in the podcast.
And then you'll want to make it flow off the podcast on the website itself or on the Apple podcast app or on the YouTube channel. So what you're creating in terms of audio must always be organized and structured. We can figure out your structure at a future date, but it's got to be structured so that it's easier on the backend for you.
So I know that was a lot. It was a fire hose of information. I get it.
Whew, I'm even, I'm winded right now, but I hope this has been very helpful for you. If you have questions, you're always welcome to reach out to me. If you're on YouTube right now, you can go ahead and leave a comment down below and watch this.
If you're on Apple podcast or you're on Spotify, you're more than welcome to reach out to me on threads or go to thepodcasttherapist.com and you can reach out to me on the contact form that is on my website. And of course, if you're looking to start a podcast, make sure that you're checking out my essential equipment guide to starting up a podcast. That is the link is down in the description below of this video.
And of course, Apple podcast app. That's my quick start guide. It's very, very helpful.
And until then, next week is Christmas. So I might release another little short episode for you guys. We'll see how that works out.
But in the meantime, I hope you have a great Christmas holiday or whatever holiday that you are celebrating. Stay safe out there and we'll see you next time.
